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Last updated 10/17/2011 at 10:01 p.m. PDT

Bay Citizen/USF Poll: Unions Winning Pension Reform Battle

Jeff Adachi's signature measure likely to be defeated by labor-backed initiative

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By on October 18, 2011 - 4:00 a.m. PDT
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Last year, maverick public defender Jeff Adachi raised a lonely cry about San Francisco's multi-billion dollar pension crisis, enraging the city's labor unions.

A fierce, union-backed campaign crushed his 2010 pension reform measure. Adachi reemerged this year with Proposition D, another pension fix, only to be painted as an anti-union Republican in a series of stinging television spots.

Now it appears that Adachi, who is also running for mayor, will not get the victory he has so doggedly sought.

Instead, San Francisco voters are poised to pass Proposition C, a pension reform measure backed by Mayor Ed Lee and the very unions who fought Adachi, according to new Bay Citizen/USF poll. 

If the election were held today, Prop. C would be the winner, the poll found. Adachi's measure is trailing by 9 percentage points with three weeks until election day. While it's possible that each measure receives a majority of votes, the measure approved by more votes wins, according to a spokeswoman for the city's election department.

A total of 45 percent of those polled support Prop. C. Just 19 percent oppose it, with 36 percent still undecided. 

Prop. D was supported by 36 percent with 23 percent opposed and 41 percent undecided.

Adachi said he believes he can narrow the gap by the election by highlighting the differences between the two measures. Notably, he said, Prop. D would save the city $400 million more than Prop. C, although opponents say the measure won’t withstand legal challenges.

"As the election nears, the voters will focus on the differences between the measures," said Adachi. "I expect that numbers will improve as the voters become more educated."

Prop. C was born out of the ashes of Adachi's 2010 pension reform measure. Labor and business leaders met with Mayor Lee, often behind closed doors, to craft their own version this year. Financier Warren Hellman helped guide the negotiations, paid $200,000 for an actuarial study for the measure and has donated $100,000 to the campaign so far. (Hellman is chairman of The Bay Citizen but plays no role in editorial operations.)

One man was not at the table -- Adachi.

Max Neiman, a senior research fellow at the Institute of Governmental Studies at the University of California, Berkeley, said that support from unions and the "city family" is a big reason why Prop. C is polling higher than Adachi's measure. He also said that Prop. C may benefit from Lee's popularity. The Bay Citizen/USF poll revealed the Lee is the runaway favorite in the crowded mayor's race, while Adachi, who made pension reform a key issue in his mayoral campaign, is a long shot. 

“We anticipated that pension reform was going to be a very contentious issue, but it turns out there hasn't been very strong opposition to it,” said Neiman, who worked on the poll. “You don't have the largest and strongest opposition, which would normally come from the unions.”

Nearly 49 percent of people who are in a union or have union members in their family support Prop. C, while 22 percent oppose it and 30 percent are undecided, according to the poll. People without union members in their families were more likely to be undecided about Prop. C. Nearly 44 percent were in favor, 18 percent were opposed and 38 percent had not made up their minds.

Tim Paulson, executive director of the San Francisco Labor Council, said the public employee unions came to support Prop. C because they “realized that there were going to be layoffs. They realized that as angry as they can be, they still have to be responsible.”

Neiman had a slightly different take. “I think the unions have been very circumspect about the issue: they don't want to see a harsher measure coming down the pike,” he said.

The poll suggests that the unions still hold a grudge against Adachi for his pension reform efforts. Nearly 34 percent of people who are in a union or have union members in their family oppose Prop. D, while 31 percent support it and 35 percent are undecided.

San Francisco, like many other cities across the country, faces ballooning pension costs that could affect its ability to provide basic services. The city will have to pay out some $4.4 billion in pensions over the next decade.

Prop. C would save the city between $1 billion and $1.3 billion over 10 years, according to the city controller. It would require city workers to contribute 7.5 percent of their salaries to their pensions. In years when the retirement fund is performing poorly, the contribution could rise to 13.5 percent. City workers would also have to contribute to a health care fund for retirees.

Prop. D would save the city $1.3 billion to $1.7 billion, according to the controller. Most city employees would contribute 7.5 percent, while police and firefighters would contribute 10 percent to their pensions. Workers earning less than $50,000 would never pay more than 7.5 percent, while those making more than $200,000 could contribute as much as 16 percent. 

Last year, the campaigns for and against Adachi’s measure were fierce and expensive. All told, the campaign to pass the measure raised $1.1 million in 2010. Opponents, including city unions, raised $1.8 million to defeat it.

This year, the money is flowing again.

Adachi’s Prop. D had raised $637,000 this year as of Sept. 24. Venture capitalist Michael Moritz and businessman George Hume had donated $250,000 apiece.

Prop. C had raised $349,000 this year as of Sept. 24. An Oct. 13 filing shows that the campaign has now raised $545,000. The city’s police union has poured in $125,000, while the AFL-CIO Local 21 has contributed nearly $110,000.

Neiman predicted that one or both of the measures would pass, even with the large number of undecided voters. 

“You would have to have a very substantial majority of the undecideds being against C or D to switch things around,” said Neiman, who worked on the poll. “It’s not something you would expect unless you saw a large, well-funded, well-organized opposition.”

But political consultant Jim Ross said that the high percentage of undecided voters could hurt both measures, including the frontrunner, on election day.

"Prop. C could pass, but at 45 percent, you have a big hill to climb," said Ross, who is not working on either campaign. "If somebody's undecided at this point in the election cycle, they either don't vote or they vote no."

As both sides fight for the remaining undecided voters, they are all in agreement about why so many San Franciscans have not made up their minds. When people hear “pension reform,” their eyes glaze over.

“It’s a complicated subject, and when you’re presented with two proposals, it's more difficult to ferret out what’s what,” Adachi said.

When asked whether they’d heard about pension reform, 29 percent said “a lot,” 20 percent said “somewhat,” 20 percent said “a little” and 40 percent said “not at all.”

The poll results are based on telephone interviews of a random sample of 551 likely San Francisco voters between Oct. 7 and Oct. 13, 2011. The poll has a 4.2 percent margin of error for the overall pool of voters. The poll also surveyed 140 people with union members in the family and 411 without. The margin of error for that portion of the poll is slightly higher.

Zusha Elinson
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RB Orbust
RB Orbust
wrote on 10/18/2011 at 7:49 a.m. PDT

The Examiner today covered the Prop C lie and main campaign theme that Prop D is funded by the tea party. Of course it is not. Unfortunately, we cannot get any journalism from BC on this important topic since its benefactor Warren Hellman is funding this lie. Kind of a shame.

http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/2011/10/pension-reform-backers-san-francisco-are-not-gop-heroes

CJ Flowers
CJ Flowers
wrote on 10/18/2011 at 8:54 a.m. PDT

Isn't 35% union households an over-sampling - anyone know...?

CJ Flowers
CJ Flowers
wrote on 10/18/2011 at 9:37 a.m. PDT

...25% an over-sampling?

Gordon
Gordon
wrote on 10/18/2011 at 8:55 a.m. PDT

Whenever I hear that labor unions meet behind closed doors with politicians I know the result will be another rip-off of the tax payers.

Why is it that SF politicians do not follow the Sunshine Law, but expect everyone one else to do so?

Why is this city so screwed-up?

voltairesmistress
voltairesmistress
wrote on 10/18/2011 at 1:05 p.m. PDT

Yes, I find these results discouraging. It makes me more resolved to vote for Adachi for Mayor as my first choice. Then Rees, then ??? Do we have to end up with few services before we belatedly fix the pension mess. Neither C nor D will complete the job, but D is more fair to the lower-paid employees. We'll be at this pension reform business for years.

Harmonia Balanza
Harmonia Balanza
wrote on 10/21/2011 at 4:28 p.m. PDT

Because it has a grand and lengthy history of being so.

h. brown
h. brown
wrote on 10/18/2011 at 12:21 p.m. PDT

Understanding polls,

Here's short history of polls from SF Bulldog:

Hellman/Shih phony polls in news

(Billionaire Hellman pays to slander Adachi)

(10-18-11)

The series of 'Push' polls being sold by the Bay Citizen's very talented young writer Gerry Shih (shame on you Gerry) were not done by a polling company. They were done by a marketing firm which should tell you a lot. The firm chosen by Hellman is named, 'Maximum Research'. They're out of New Jersey and rumor has it that they are owned by Tony Soprano.

OK, that last line is me kidding you but only a little. Modern polls are as dishonest as the Sopranos. They are not designed to measure public opinion honestly. They are designed to manipulate and when deemed appropriate to reinforce public opinion. Let's put another link to the honest poll I sent you last night.

Here's a sample of the first Gallup Poll conducted in 1939 between Christmas eve and December 29th ...

http://brain.gallup.com/documents/questionnaire.aspx?STUDY=AIPO0180A

You can't get much more straightforward than early George Gallup asking about your New Year's resolutions or how you feel about Hitler. Now that, that's classical Americana.

American Polls at Mid-Life

A great American writer (Eugene Burdick – 1918 to 1965 – he co-wrote, 'The Ugly American with William Lederer in 1958 – JFK made it required reading in the White House – he also wrote, 'Fail Safe' in 1962).

On his death bed in 1965 Burdick penned his masterpiece. It's called, 'The 480' and in this work he argues that Americans can be divided into 480 statistically measurable categories and if you can get any of them to answer 10 simple demographic questions it is possible to assign them to one of these categories.

This is important because Burdick posited, once you have them in a category you can predict not only how they have voted in every major election since they've been eligible to vote ... but, you can also determine how they will vote in coming elections on different candidates and issues.

The next (we'll call it, 'The Billionaire Hellman Stage') in poll development involves using polls as tools for indoctrinating through half-truths and often (in the case of Hellman's attacks on Adachi) outright lies.

Modern polls are plates of spaghetti

The Hellman/Union/Shih polls are full of what Luke Thomas calls, “triggers”. After gathering basic demographics as Burdick dictated, the marketers move to a series of question constructed to determine the voter's mindset.

If a respondent answers a 'trigger' question in one way, the marketer is directed into a series of questions designed to either change or reinforce the voter's opinion of a candidate or issue. With so many tendrils possible that's why I say they are like 'spaghetti' (plus it's my breakfast time and I love spaghetti).

It's at this point that the lies kick in big time. Local Downtown pollster David Binder did a poll in the Gonzalez/Newsom campaign in 2003 in which if a subject said they were going to vote for Matt Gonzalez ... the next question was, “Would you still vote for him if you knew that he had pornography hanging on his bedroom walls?”.

Of course that was a lie but that didn't matter to Binder. When I challenged him as to why he'd purvey such a lie he told me, “I don't check the veracity of questions my clients want me to ask.”. And, he's the local business community's favorite pollster.

Let me close with 3 points

First of all, you can't trust polls. Particularly polls put out by lying dogs like Warren Hellman and Ed Lee and Willie Brown.

Second, I'm hungry and headed for the Manor House for a big breakfast and a couple of cups of coffee.

And third (and, perhaps most important) ... the Giants should play Gary Brown in center field next year. He just turned 23 last month. He played a complete season in A ball where he hit .336, blasted 14 homers and stole 53 bases.

Adachi for Mayor!

Avalos for Mayor!

Baum for Mayor!

Hall for Mayor!

Miyamoto for Sheriff!

Gascon for DA!

h.

Honest Abe
Honest Abe
wrote on 10/18/2011 at 9:56 p.m. PDT

Vote NO on Prop C.
These are OUR TAX DOLLARS!!
 
This measure does NOT realign payout of retirement benefits equitably or uniformly among all public worker categories in any real effort to rein in costs.  It does not address the EXORBITANT PENSION PAYOUT to the HIGHEST PAID of CITY WORKERS, namely most POLICE and FIRE employees who collect the most generous pension benefits than any other City employees, at a most tender 50 years of age. This is busting the Pension and General funds!!
 
Prop C was crafted by self-serving Union bosses in collusion with the interim Mayor, City Supervisors and a billionaire making BACK-ROOM DEALs  and calling it “consensus”. With little to no input from the low wage workers and most adversely affected, nor from retirees, it relieves the pension contribution rates for the highest wage earners of public employment ONLY (compare Prop D), and conveniently requires lower wage earners to pay more in pension and healthcare contributions.
Vote NO on C.

Robert Montgomery
Robert Montgomery
wrote on 10/20/2011 at 9:26 a.m. PDT

Police and Fire cannot collect a full pension at age 50. You are confusing San Francisco with other agencies that are covered by a different pension system.

The police and fire in San Francisco are also not eligible to collect Social Security after retirement and The City does not pay Social Security taxes for them. While San Francisco appears to pay more for these pensions, most, if not all of the extra comes from the savings of not paying SSI on that portion of the payroll.

Furthermore, there was a recent recent article in The Chronicle that suggested nurses are actually the highest paid employees in San Francisco. By a long shot.

I suppose also, that suggesting the Prop C people were meeting in private *might* be to prevent that other "pension reform" mayoral candidate from learning the details being discussed won't pass muster with the Adachi crowd. Considering that Adachi actually submitted, what was it? 5, pension reform measures from which he could choose to put on the ballot, I'd say that keeping him honest to his own people rather than giving him a clue about what the competing measure will contain was a good move.

Oh yeah, that and the fact that a good portion of Prop D will never see the light of day because those sections are not legal.

Montgomery  Powell
Montgomery Powell
wrote on 10/21/2011 at 2:44 p.m. PDT

People who own and operate journalistic endeavours (e.g. Hellman) should not fund political campaigns. Period. Or, if they do, they should not own newspapers. It is insane to suggest that Hellman, who funds and runs the BC, would not fire any reporter or editor who declined to follow his political line. As chairman of the board and main funder of the BC the junk bond king billionaire obviously operates it. It is pathetic when his staff tries to salvage its long lost journalistic integrity by disingenuously claiming out that their boss does not influence their reporting, even though he pays their fat salaries.

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