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Updated 06/23/2011 at 11:41 p.m. PDT

Tax Increases Before Layoffs? Only in San Francisco.

Mayor Ed Lee has proposed a budget that raises taxes — and he is not alone among city politicians

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By on June 23, 2011 - 11:41 p.m. PDT
Adithya Sambamurthy/The Bay Citizen
Care for sidewalk trees and the damage they can cause, like on Balboa Street in San Francisco, may shift to property owners

When Mayor Ed Lee of San Francisco unveiled his $6.8 billion budget earlier this month to a standing ovation from the city’s supervisors and other officials, it featured something that would make most politicians duck for cover: Tax increases.

To close a $306 million deficit, Lee proposed raising the sales tax and decreed that property owners should henceforth be responsible for maintaining thousands of street trees and sidewalks previously tended by the city.

He also proposed borrowing $248 million to fix crumbling streets.

With this agenda of more taxes, fewer services and debt financing, Lee avoided what is really the unspeakable political act here: Layoffs.

In most of the country, tax increases are anathema. Not in San Francisco. The city’s public employee unions are a potent political force; business groups are focused on business taxes; resident taxpayers are disorganized and inconsequential, politically.

San Francisco has about 26,000 public employees. San Jose, a much larger city, has just 5,300 (though San Francisco is also a county and provides services a city does not). While Lee’s plan anticipates that the city’s police, firefighters and nurses will forgo $21.7 million in previously promised raises, it’s surprising that the mayor didn’t take a harder look at the work force.

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The taxes-before-layoffs ethos reflects the cultural divide between San Francisco and, well, pretty much anywhere else. The city “is tax happy,” said Scott Macdonald, a spokesman for Californians for Tax Fairness. “Taxes are not such an ugly term there as elsewhere in the state.”

Lee hardly stands alone. Local politicians are hustling to invent or support new, creative ways to raise taxes. A proposed state law that would enable voters to create new local taxes, including an income tax, drew a John F. Kennedy-esque campaign email from Dennis Herrera, promoting the idea as “government’s last, best hope.” (Herrera, the city attorney, is running for mayor.)

Californians have the sixth-highest state and local tax burden in the country, at 10.6 percent, according to the Tax Foundation. If San Francisco were to enact a 2 percent city income tax, residents would carry the highest tax burden in the nation.

Meanwhile, Sen. Mark Leno, Democrat of San Francisco, is pushing legislation that would let local governments roughly double the fee to register a vehicle in the city. In San Francisco, that would yield about $44 million in new revenue.

Normally, business groups like the San Francisco Chamber of Commerce express knee-jerk opposition to tax increases. But James Lazarus, who oversees the chamber’s public-policy efforts, appeared at a press conference with Leno in support of his proposal. Lazarus said that the chamber supported the measure because the city did need to raise revenue and that the measure restored the license fee to its level of a decade ago. So it’s not really a new tax, as he looks at it — it’s a revival of an old one.

Similarly, a spokeswoman for the mayor said that Lee proposes no tax increases, because his sales-tax boost is "just a sales tax recovery."

San Francisco has the second-highest sales tax — 9.5 percent, including a 1 percent state surcharge — in the country, according to Vertex, a tax-consultancy. If the surcharge is allowed to expire on July 1, Lee proposes that the city then tack another 0.5 percent onto its sales tax, making the rate 9 percent. San Francisco would then slip behind Chicago and Phoenix to have the nation’s third-highest rate.

Car retailers and high-end jewelers say the differential would not hurt big-ticket sales much. Car buyers pay sales tax according to their official county of residence (so San Franciscans would pay more, regardless), and buyers of luxury goods are apparently impervious to an extra percentage or two.

“At this price point,” said Glen Ross, the president of Shreve & Co., the august jeweler on Post Street, “1 percent, a half a percent, it’s neither here nor there.”

The real impact, ruminated Ross, is “just on us residents.”

Ross gestured toward the sales clerks and cashiers standing at the ready on Shreve’s sales floor. Those who work and live here are the ones who will really feel the sting, since they are “purchasing on a daily basis,” he said. “It all adds up.”

This article also appears in the Bay Area edition of The New York Times.

Elizabeth Lesly Stevens
Senior writer Elizabeth Lesly Stevens writes primarily about business and finance. A recent transplant to San Francisco, she spent many years in New York as an editor and writer at Business Week, a media-business columnist ... View Profile
RB Orbust
RB Orbust
wrote on 06/24/2011 at 12:33 a.m. PDT

Good piece.

Thankfully these tax increases require approval of voters. I'm not sure how much longer SF residents can be duped into underwriting the obscene compensation of much of the City's gigantic payroll. We'll see.

Someone should tell Ed Lee voters passed the state sales tax as a TEMPORARY surcharge and James Lazarus is a Chamber rep- what a disgrace.

For a non-politician, Ed Lee is a heckuva politician. Sales tax increases, tax increases for potholes, trim your own trees and pension reform-lite all in the midst of a major recession - and all proposed with a big smile on his face...

John Smith
John Smith
wrote on 06/28/2011 at 2:02 p.m. PDT

It's hard to believe that Ms. Stevens fails to mention in her entire article fact that layoffs of San Francisco workers have occured every year for the past several years. That seems like it should have been mentioned. Maybe even calling someone at teh City to see how many have been laid off could have been done too.

Also, this is also a pretty uninformed statement: "San Francisco has about 26,000 public employees. San Jose, a much larger city, has just 5,300." True, San Francisco is a City and County and has to provide the services for both but San Francisco also runs major projects, such as San Francisco International Airport, that the whole bay area region uses not just San Francisco residents. Finally, San Francisco isalso in charge of the Hetch Hetchy water system that provides clean water to 2.4 million people around the bay are(far greater than the 800K that live in San Francisco proper).

These are just a few obvious examples of why San Francisco has more public servants.

Elizabeth Lesly Stevens
Elizabeth Lesly Stevens
wrote on 06/24/2011 at 8:57 a.m. PDT

I'm posting this, with permission, for a reader who emailed me directly:

Read your piece on the SF budget, tax proposals etc. Ed Lee has proposed selling debt to fund what should be budgeted maintenance. Unfortunately, it might pass. It is ironic that a city of struggling young families would support higher sales taxes, as those are the most regressive of all. Mr Lee's pedigree as an aparatchik of DPW does not qualify him as a careful budget administrator. As an old friend once said, you can judge the level of corruption in any town by the condition of it's streets.
As for registration "fees", those are less obnoxious than the sales tax, but will hit people like myself: self employed, electrical contractor, needs truck, (just can't get those ladders and tools on my bicycle), and coerced by Federal tax law into having a second vehicle. No wonder so many people use addresses outside the city on their vehicle registration-sure to increase.
As for me, I see a chain of drop-in circumcision parlors just over the line in San Mateo County, "Top of The Hill...
Tom Tillinghast
SF, CA

Gordon
Gordon
wrote on 06/24/2011 at 9:35 a.m. PDT

The City Family never stops, they are amazing at how consistent they can be, always pushing for more revenues, more taxes, more fees, and never spending cuts. Well, they do cut some things, like street repair, and services for the disabled, seniors, things like that, but the City Family never cuts their own revenue stream of high salaries, premium benefits and a golden retirement plan.

The voters need to say no, this has gone on long enough...

Jim Corrigan
Jim Corrigan
wrote on 06/24/2011 at 10:04 a.m. PDT

A small, case in point about excessive number of City Workers.
artment is asked to cut their budget by x %.

With knee jerk reaction the Chief announces that she will have to either "brown out" firehouses or shut a firehouse down. There is no other choice....... she wants you to believe.

Naturally, citizens do not want their firehouses closed. The Chief knows this and the mayor and Board know this and they curry favor when they keep firehouses open.

Are there other options to reduce the budget that citizens might accept if she suggested them?

YES!

Closing one firehouse for a year would save approximately $3 million dollars.

Each day there are 6 Chiefs' Drivers positions at about $130,000 per that cost approximately $3 million dollars a year.

In case of fire or earthquake, would you rather have a manned, water pumping, emergency vehicle at the ready or 6 clean cut, uniformed, flashlight and clipboard carrying drivers?

In addition, each day in Fire Suppression, 11 Battalion Chiefs who earn over $200,000 a year are on duty. Harvey Rose a decade ago said this was an excessive number and should be reduced to 7 Chiefs each day.

If the number of Chiefs were to be reduced by 4 each day, the savings would be $3.5 million dollars each year.

Would citizens agree to this kind of cutback? Yes, they would rather have a fire engine and crew that can pump water onto a flame and administer medical care to a neighborhood rather than a Chief across town sitting in a firehouse watching television.

Examples like these are, I would guess, in each and every Department in the City.

voltairesmistress
voltairesmistress
wrote on 06/27/2011 at 12:38 p.m. PDT

Thank you Tom Lou for such specific examples of how we could cut back in a single, usually sacrosanct, department. It's facts like these that make one see just how deceptive department heads can be.

To me, Mayor Lee is one of these bureaucratic honchos who would rather raise taxes on all of us to pay for a bloated number of city employees. He is not fit to run for a full term as mayor.

Unfortunately, that 26,000 strong group + their families provide ready foot soldiers for any campaign to help themselves. Of course, they call it looking out for the interests of the citizens, the homeless, the unrepresented, etc.

h. brown
h. brown
wrote on 06/24/2011 at 10:55 a.m. PDT

Tom,

Willie Brown used to say, (probably still does) "Don't bring me talk about maintenance. We don't make any money off maintenance. We make money off contracts.".

You understand that?

The City loses hundreds of millions with crap contracts given to vendors who bribe public officials with campaign contributions and other perks. The City withdraws maintenance from a facility like, oh say, Harding Golf Course ... allows it to deteriorate and then says that City workers can't do the job and so they first contract for outside services and labor ... then, they just give the friggin' land and buildings and docks and trees and grass to the wealthy for decades and the real SF public loses access.

Ed Lee was, I believe, City Purchaser or something when the City had an agency called, 'Computer Store' or something like that. Vague enough? Anyway, (and, this will come out in detail if he tosses his cap into the ring - doesn't he look S.I. Hiyakawa?) a gangster wanted to run contracts through the agency and the agency staff said the vendor didn't look legitimate and Willie Brown told Ed Lee to let em in anyway and they did and they guy ran away with the money and bottom line is that Ed Lee always does what Willie Brown wants and if Lee's elected mayor it will be same as having Willie back.

Giants tonight against 1st place Cleveland 7pm tonite.

h.

Mission Rosalind
Mission Rosalind
wrote on 06/24/2011 at 11:36 a.m. PDT

Sadly, the response of the Bay Guardian crowd and the "progressive" Supervisors to the City's economic and budget crisis is all too typical.

As always, they will fall back on their belief that San Francisco is an island and raise taxes and fees, especially on people they consider to be "rich" (translation: anybody with a professional job or who works at a place that doesn't allow you to bring your dog to the office) and on any business that doesn't fit into their concept of a "good" company (sorry Whole Foods, you lost your SF cred when your CEO attacked Obama's health plan).

While there probably isn't any way to get Homeless Industry™ executives and starry-eyed Bay Guardian types to broaden their myopic views, making SF Supervisor a part-time job and requiring both the Mayor and the entire Board of Supervisors to make annual visits to Washington DC and Baltimore would go a long way in making our leaders realize what happens when taxpayers and businesses are permanently driven away.

Bob Offer-Westort
Bob Offer-Westort
wrote on 06/24/2011 at 3:02 p.m. PDT

Which Homeless Industry™ executives is Mission Rosalind referring to, & how does a segment of the non-profit sector become an industry or get that nifty trademark sign?

Howard Epstein
Howard Epstein
wrote on 06/24/2011 at 3:08 p.m. PDT

It's unfortunate that Ed Lee is a career bureaucrat with no real world (private sector) experience. In his world residents exist solely for the convince of city employees and city funded non-profits. Its also unfortunate that the Chamber of Commerce is buying into the "we need more money from the productive taxpaying citizens to subsidize the bloated city payroll of about 26,000 bureaucrats and the unproductive people on the dole." Only in San Francisco.

Bob Offer-Westort
Bob Offer-Westort
wrote on 06/24/2011 at 3:32 p.m. PDT

Your readership is done a disservice when a column such as this characterises its opposition as comprised of loons who don't have a legitimate perspective: Those squandering wastrels just love taxes, fear unions, & are out of touch with the rest of the country!

The fact is that we have services in San Francisco from which we all benefit & which beat what's available in most other cities. Such services are accompanied by increased costs. It is true that we also have waste, & we also have services from which only part of the population—sometimes a minority—receives primary benefit. But we have to recognise that a chunk of our taxes pay for real services that, as best we can tell, a majority of the city wants to exist: Voters determined that they wanted minimum staffing levels for SFPD. They determined that they wanted Treatment on Demand. This isn't graft. This is a voter determination that a public good is worth the extra expense. If we do not see new revenues, then we will have to either cut more services, or cut pay or benefits for City workers.

Last fall, voters rejected cuts to City employee pensions & healthcare just this past fall. How is that the result of the potent political force of City employee unions? Did unions bully voters somehow? What would that even look like? (Sure, unions threw a lot of money at defeating Prop B, but did Prop B's finance sector backers not do the same?) Again, the ballot should be seen as a value statement from the electorate.

It's fair to claim that the particular goods that we purchase in San Francisco aren't economically or socially worth the taxes, & that the electorate has made the wrong choice, & has selected politicians who've continued to make that same wrong choice. I certainly disagree with the majority of the electorate of my city, state, & nation on many issues: It's not wrong to be in a minority. But it's disingenuous to deny that there are real service, cost, & labour value issues that reflect value judgments that the voters of San Francisco have made. That fact merits acknowledgment, even in an opinion column. This isn't, after all, the Chronicle.

The Commish
The Commish
wrote on 06/24/2011 at 5:45 p.m. PDT

How do you justify 26,000 employees in a city that measures 7 miles by 7 miles and only has a population of 800,000? It's truly become a city where government doesn't serve the citizens; the citizens are here to support the government.

Mission Rosalind
Mission Rosalind
wrote on 06/24/2011 at 9:59 p.m. PDT

Here are some stats for Los Angeles County for comparison:
Area: 4,084 square miles
Population: 10,441,080 (as of January 2010)
Number of Supervisors on Board of Supervisors: 5
Number of budgeted county employees: 101,296
Number of employees per 1000 residents: 9.7

Yeah, yeah, so SF is both a city and county. So, here's goes for the City of Los Angeles:
Area: 472 square miles
Population: 3,684,820 (2000 Census)
Number of City Council members: 15
Number of city employees: 37,000 (Dec. 2010)
Number of employees per 1000 residents: 10.0

Now for the City and County of San Francisco:
Area: 49 square miles
Population: 801,377 (January 2000)
Number of Supervisors: 11
Number of employees per 1000 residents: 32.4

Bob Offer-Westort
Bob Offer-Westort
wrote on 06/25/2011 at 1:41 a.m. PDT

That's fine. If you want to make the case that government's too big in San Francisco, go ahead & do it. But also recognise that there are service differences between SF & LA, & that the electorate has mandated a significant portion of those differences. It's not as tho "goverment" is one, clear thing that does one, easily identifiable job, & it can do that job efficiently or inefficiently. LA & SF operate in several dramatically different ways.

Bob Offer-Westort
Bob Offer-Westort
wrote on 06/25/2011 at 1:48 a.m. PDT

Again, both of you are arguing against something other than what I'm saying: What I'm saying is that Ms. Stevens has failed to acknowledge the real position of the opposing viewpoint, & that responsible writing would not do this. You are both simply saying that the opposing viewpoint is wrong. I think your perspective is valid (tho I think I disagree with it). But it has nothing to do with my complaint.

RB Orbust
RB Orbust
wrote on 06/25/2011 at 9:13 a.m. PDT

This is an opinion column- why should Ms. Stevens write about someone else's viewpoint?

This is what you said:

"...We have services in San Francisco from which we all benefit & which beat what's available in most other cities. Such services are accompanied by increased costs...But we have to recognise that a chunk of our taxes pay for real services that, as best we can tell, a majority of the city wants to exist."

We are not paying a premium for City services because of superior service- nothing could be further from the truth.(Have you ever taken a bus?) We are paying a premium because public employee unions have a monopoly on delivering the service.

Yes, a majority of citizens want some City services but we don't want to pay a huge premium for them for no reason.

Bob Offer-Westort
Bob Offer-Westort
wrote on 06/25/2011 at 8:59 p.m. PDT

Well the first thing I said was: 'Your readership is done a disservice when a column such as this characterises its opposition as comprised of loons who don't have a legitimate perspective: Those squandering wastrels just love taxes, fear unions, & are out of touch with the rest of the country!' The paragraph you quote is in the context of showing that there's much more going on than in Ms. Steven's mischaracterisation.

Ms. Stevens already *does* represent what's going on: Public employee unions are a 'potent force', which has led our politicians into a 'taxes-before-layoffs ethos', & then, crudely, 'San Francisco is tax-happy…' If she's going to describe what's going on, she ought to do so accurately. It's not simply that politicians are being spendthrifts (tho that definitely happens, too). In this, I'm not saying that she has an obligation to represent every perspective: I'm saying that she has an obligation *not* to *misrepresent* the perspectives that lead to decisions such as Lee's & Herrera's backing of certain tax options. It's not accurate to say that it's just the result of fear of public employee union power.

As regards monopoly: That's simply not true. City employees have a monopoly, say, in DPT. But that's far from true for every public good. City shelters, for example, are City-funded, but run exclusively by private sector contracts. The City hires private security for several Departments. Public health is served both by City employees & by the City contracts with the private sector. We pay a lot because San Francisco chooses to provide public goods that many cities & counties don't.

& yes: I take MUNI daily & am as grumpy about it as the rest of San Francisco. (& Jesus Christ but grumpiness has risen to new heights in this city!) I still want us to have a public bus system. I've never seen a poll, but I'd wager most San Franciscans want the same. Just as they probably also want us to have a top notch HIV division in DPH. Just as they want us to have a decent homeless shelter system. Just as they want a minimum of a certain number of cops. Just as they want Golden Gate Park to look unnaturally green. Just as they want youth programming for our other parks. Just as they want Treatment on Demand for people with mental illnesses.

Mission Rosalind
Mission Rosalind
wrote on 06/25/2011 at 8:50 p.m. PDT

More stats to chew on, from Washington DC. Don't forget the District of Columbia has to provide many services typically furnished by state governments, including a criminal justice system, motor vehicle/driver administration, and a university.

Area: 68 square miles
Population: 572,059 (2000 Census)
2011 Budget: $8.9 billion
Number of City Council Members: 13
Number of public employees: 33,000
Number of employees per 1000 residents: 57.7

Mission Rosalind
Mission Rosalind
wrote on 06/25/2011 at 9:07 p.m. PDT

And some numbers for New York City, which I haven't personally verified for accuracy:

Area: 305 square miles
Population: 8,175,133 (2010 Census)
2012 Budget: $65.7 billion
Number of City Council Members: 51
Number of public employees: 345,000 (fiscal year 2012)
Number of employees per 1000 residents: 42.2

Gordon
Gordon
wrote on 06/25/2011 at 10:01 a.m. PDT

Yes. we are paying a premium, an excessive one, when a cop/firefighter in SF gets about double the pay and pension benefits that a cop/firefighter gets in NYC, then something is definitely wrong...

B F
B F
wrote on 06/25/2011 at 11:32 a.m. PDT

The author of this piece throws out an apples vs. oranges comparison to make a point that San Francisco has too many employees and then supposedly qualifies it presumably to avoid criticisms like mine, but that is just bs. : "San Francisco has about 26,000 public employees. San Jose, a much larger city, has just 5,300 (though San Francisco is also a county and provides services a city does not)" It's a sore point with me when articles throw around numbers with no thought behind them. In this case, it would be worthwhile to compare the sum total employment of all governments in Santa Clara county vs. San Francisco county, as well as the services provided (a hard task and I've never seen it done). Mission Rosalind is sort of the right track here, but she needs to include all 88 cities in Los Angeles County (yes, 88!), plus other boards and commissions at the various levels of municipal and county governments in Los Angeles County before she compares the number of employees per 1000 with San Francisco County.

And then you need to look at services provided. To our great moral credit in SF, we as a city both by our elected representatives and uncounted publicly voted initiatives have decided to take care of the most vulnerable among us, with SF General Hospital, Laguna Honda, and a huge array of other services to the disadvantaged, as well as tons of other services to the middle class like parks and recreation. Los Angeles and Santa Clara counties provide some of these services, but not all. It's a hard but not impossible problem to compare staffing for levels of service, but I rarely see it done. I'd love to see, for example, the number of employees per thousand riders for MUNI versus other transit districts in CA or the USA. Or the number patrolling policeman per thousand versus the number of supervisory per comparable jurisdiction. These kinds of numbers would speak to whether our departments and agencies were overstaffed or understaffed, but we never see those sort of figures.

Nobody will deny that there is inefficiency, waste, even downright laziness in city government. Everyone who ever has to deal with the city on any level can see it instantly, but I would also say that is true of dealing with any large organization, for profit or not. It is a worthy goal to reduce and eliminate the waste, and the progressive forces in San Francisco are remiss in not making that a much bigger part of their program, as efficient service is better for everyone. It is just plain unfortunate that the right wing wing has co-opted the the words "waste and ineffiency" and turned it into a crusade to eliminate services to the poor and middle class. It's time for the left to take that part of the budget equation back to their side of the fight, and fight for both an efficient and well paid city workforce that puts in a good hard day's work serving the public.

If you want to discuss the problem in a serious way, do some serious journalism and dig at the facts and figures. What was presented here was just another silly "San Francisco is a crazy town" piece, with no real content. I'm disappointed at the Bay Citizen in this regard because this was supposed to be a place where there is some real journalism instead of what passes for it nowadays.

RB Orbust
RB Orbust
wrote on 06/25/2011 at 3:53 p.m. PDT

Actually BF makes a fair point - it is apples and oranges.

However, there is an apples to apples metropolitan City as County comparison and that is Philadelphia.

Last I checked, BELIEVE IT OR NOT- Philly has twice the population of San Francisco and SF has more employees (26,000 versus 25,000). I don't know how the waste can get more staggering than that. I believe SF spending per capita is about THREE times Philadelphia.

However, regarding this quote:

"It is just plain unfortunate that the right wing wing has co-opted the the words 'waste and ineffiency' and turned it into a crusade to eliminate services to the poor and middle class."

Services to the middle class (fixing potholes, for example) and the poor are being eliminated now. But this has nothing to do with the "right wing" when there is not a single elected official in SF who is not a Democrat. Services are being eliminated because the entire City treasury is being turned over to the City's unionized work force with the full blessings of the left wing.

B F
B F
wrote on 06/25/2011 at 6:47 p.m. PDT

A quick glance at the budgets of Philadelphia and San Francisco shows that they are not comparable from a budget or a number of employees point of view, and I need only point to two big budget/employment line items for San Francisco that are not part of Philadelphia's budget. They are public health and public transportation.

Philadelphia's total budget expenditure for year 2010 was $3.836B.
San Francisco's total for year 2008 was $6.079
(hey, I'm not a journalist, these two years' data were readily available and serve for the argument in any event)

Philadelphia's budget for Public Health $131M
Philadelphia's budget for Public Transportation $74M (their contribution to SEPTA)

San Francisco's budget for Public Health $1.2B
San Francisco's budget for Public Transportation $805M

That's a $1.8B difference in two categories of expenditure alone, accounting for nearly all the difference in the two budgets. There are approximately 10,000 employees in San Francisco that work in public health and transportation. This accounts for a good portion of the differential in total number of employees between the two cities.

My argument remains as before. Let's all agree there is plenty of waste and inefficiency, here in San Francisco (and in Philadelphia). Let's figure out where that is by comparing, service for service, staffing levels per 1000 residents where that is an appropriate measure, or any other true measure of comparable efficiency. And then we should force our politicians to act on it.

The Commish
The Commish
wrote on 06/25/2011 at 8:03 p.m. PDT

BF--doesn't your post prove the opposite of the point you're trying to make?

RB made the argument that San Francisco overspends and employs far more people than we need to service a city of this size. He used Philadelphia--a city and county with twice our population--as an example. And your argument is that because San Francisco overspends on public health ($1.2B versus $131M in Philadelphia) and public transportation ($805M versus $74M in Philadelphia) we can't compare the two because ipso facto, San Francisco is a profligate spender?

If San Francisco paid its average employee $100,000 and Philadelphia paid its average employee $40,000, would your point be that we can't compare the two because we pay more?

Perhaps the answer is that we shouldn't be spending so much and employing so many workers.

h. brown
h. brown
wrote on 06/25/2011 at 12:12 p.m. PDT

'BF'

"Serious commenting"? You, sir or madame, are just another internet coward hiding behind anonymous initials. Man up! Woman up! Give your name or get lost. Like virtually everyone on the internet I'm sick and tired of people like you doing character assassination from the ambush of anonymity.

Giants on in an hour.

h.

Gordon
Gordon
wrote on 06/26/2011 at 12:43 p.m. PDT

In San Francisco, rookie cops start out at $82K in base salary, in NYC they start out at $46K and Philadelphia they start at $43K, might this be part of the problem???

Other big cities pay up to 55% in retirement, while in SF they can earn up to 90%, might this be part of the problem???

I'm sure we can do the same comparison for the fire department, and probably every other city department as well...

The bottom line is that SF spends way too much money on its employees!

Gordon
Gordon
wrote on 06/28/2011 at 8:51 a.m. PDT

Why won't Delagnes answer these kinds of questions? I guess he is too busy pushing for yet another pay increase...

Mission Rosalind
Mission Rosalind
wrote on 06/28/2011 at 10:13 a.m. PDT

While the debate over staffing levels and salaries is a valid one, the real pressing issue is how will SF prioritize and fund the services it provides to its citizens. The "progressive" approach is only viable during boom times and is spectacularly unsuited for recessionary and recovery periods.

For those who want to move beyond the emotional and ideological arguments used by the Bay Guardian-crowd and the City Family to justify their agendas, I recommend taking a look at:

Triumph of the City (Glaeser)
--"Restrictive places, such as New York City, coastal California, and Paris, have a tight housing supply with prices only the wealthy can afford. Hence, middle-class people move to the suburbs or cities like Houston. Other features of metropolises-their incidences of poverty and crime, traffic congestion, quality of schools, and cultural amenities-also figure in Glaeser's analysis. Whatever the city under discussion, Mumbai or Woodlands, Texas, Glaeser is discerning and independent; for example, he believes that historic preservation isn't an unalloyed good and that bigger, denser cities militate against global warming."

The Fortune at the Bottom of the Pyramid (Prahalad)
--Programs to promote social justice and economic equity do not have to be the sole province of the public sector.

Imagining India (Nilekani)
--SF is rapidly becoming like 1970's India, in terms of government, politics, and economics. The obstacles that India now faces in emerging from developing market status are uncannily similar to the outcomes of "progressive" governance. Nilekani, unknowingly, has provided both a warning and a way out for the City as well as for India.

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