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What’s Wrong with the Sit/ Lie Campaign’s Story?


Since I am a resident and retail business owner in the Haight, you might think that this article is yet another complaint about the homeless and that I am going to implore you to vote in favor of proposition L, also known as the civil sidewalks law or the sit/ lie law.  Many of my customers, friends, and neighbors have been rallying for the sit/lie law for months.  If the law passes at the ballot in the November elections, my retail business might benefit and there would be fewer hassles to deal with in my daily life.  If I had stopped thinking at this point, I would have simply gone along with the overwhelming public opinion and voted for the sit/ lie law.  But I couldn’t stop thinking because something was wrong with the story that was being told to justify the sit/ lie law.  When I asked a few questions, I got a confusing barrage of claims and counter-claims but not enough facts.  To satisfy my curiosity, I decided to do a little research.  One thing led to another, and before I realized it, I had embarked on a one-man mission to dig up obtuse legal documents, seek out experts from around the country, and research the topic more deeply than it has been covered by any media outlet so far.  What I discovered is that the arguments for the sit/ lie law don’t really add up.

The narrative being circulated by the sit/lie’s political campaign has three major components.  The first component is the statement of the current situation: Gangs of thugs are overrunning Haight Ashbury and other parts of San Francisco picking fights with residents, vandalizing businesses, spitting on kids, and taunting women and old people.  Validation of this narrative comes from quotes by affected residents and merchants and media pictures of groups of dirty looking street people camped out on sidewalks accompanied by scary looking dogs.  It all sounds and appears very evil. 

The second part of the narrative talks about residents and merchants asking the elected politicians and the police to help contain the terror on the streets, and leaders of San Francisco Police Department (SFPD) expressing their helplessness due to limitations in current laws. This is the problem statement. 

The last part of the narrative involves the proposed solution in the form of a new law, which will enable our city’s police officers to deal with this problem so we can feel safe walking and shopping in our neighborhoods.  Taken together, these three components form the prevailing public story about the proposed sit/ lie law as it is being told and retold in numerous public conversations and media reports.

Let’s begin by examining the current situation in the Haight.  Homelessness is a national problem and not unique to the Haight.  What makes it more of an issue in the Haight is that it is hard to talk about it in abstraction.  Like my neighbors, I too am confronted by the sight, smells, and actions of the homeless people every day.  A few of them appear drunk or on drugs, some seem mentally ill, and others appear to be just hanging out.  Their behavior ranges from quiet introversion to loud exhibitionism.

Routinely, I am asked for spare change and leftovers, sometimes I am offered “buds,” and practically every day I have to make my way around a group of homeless people who are blocking my way on a sidewalk.  Rampant pan-handling, pot smoking, and drunken behaviors are on exhibition by some of the homeless people blocking our sidewalks and sleeping in our doorways.  These people pose a sensory challenge to our civilized sensibilities – they look dirty, smell terrible, and often say offensive things.  If a few homeless folks are huddling together in a pack with a fierce looking dog and talking loudly, it appears like a riot is about to break out. 

But the problem with the sit/ lie campaign’s story is that I don’t see any riots.  I don’t see the homeless people assaulting residents, vandalizing businesses, or creating a public safety hazard.  I agree that the Haight seems to have more than its fair share of homeless people, dog poop, and graffiti.  But most of the homeless people are harmless!  To the best of my knowledge, in the entire three years we have owned a retail bookstore on Haight Street, we haven’t had a single incident where a homeless person has compromised the safety of anyone related to our business.  In fact, it’s rare to come across a homeless person who poses a real safety threat.

The sit/ lie campaign’s story is based on sweeping generalizations about the homeless people.  The police chief refers to them as street thugs, the San Francisco Chronicle calls them bullies and punks, and the Wall Street Journal recently declared them to be gutter punks.  The common thread here is the application of these vilifying labels to ALL homeless people even if they are not hassling anyone or causing any problems.  The word homeless by itself is a broad label which hides the underlying nuances of the labeled person’s individual circumstances.  Based on my conversations with dozens of homeless people I have found that the group we refer to as homeless include a broad cross-section of folks ranging from disabled war veterans, kids who have run away from bad homes or aged out of the foster care system, artists and musicians travelling through this area while on their self-discovery journeys, and many others.  Most of these people don’t display the aggressive behaviors that seem to create, in the media at least, the illusion of a mob taking over our streets.

Merchants and residents like me face some real challenges, but most have little to do with people squatting on sidewalks.  The people shoplifting books and magazines in our bookstore are rarely the homeless.  I have real experience in catching shoplifters in action and video footage from our security cameras to back this up.  From my personal experience, it seems that the sit/ lie campaign is grossly exaggerating some problems, and attributing others to the wrong set of people.  I am not the only one who feels this way.  In a recent meeting of Haight Street merchants, many of them voiced  concerns  that the sit/ lie campaign was creating a distorted and unfairly negative picture of the historic neighborhood.

If the proclaimed gangs of thugs and rein of terror are mostly imagined, what might be the source of the anger and frustration that’s fueling the demand for the proposed sit/lie law?  Having participated in numerous neighborhood meetings to discuss the situation, the complaints I have heard are mostly about the chronic squalor and degradation that has plagued the neighborhood for decades. People are fed up with the seemingly hopeless and unending job of trying to keep their shop-fronts and home entrances clean.  People are angry at our city government’s inability to do something about the situation.  These are legitimate issues, but these are different issues than what the rhetoric of sit/ lie’s political campaign would lead you to believe.  The difference between the on-the-ground reality and the campaign’s story is the difference between the mere existence of homeless people and actual threatening behaviors by them.

Leaders of SFPD have gone on public record with their claims of helplessness and their need for new tools to fight this proclaimed menace.  In my personal experience, 9 times out of 10, it’s extremely easy to get a homeless person to leave if I feel they are creating a nuisance in front of our bookstore.  Most times a polite request does the job.  Recently I went out to confront a kid who had been sprawled in front of the store for a few hours.  Within a few moments of my showing up, the kid noticed my presence and preemptively offered to move “You want me to go away?  Ok, man… I am leaving, don’t call the cops on me.”  I didn’t even have to open my mouth, and was barely able to say “thanks” before he took off.  The few times I have had to ask someone to not bother my customers, they usually comply although sometimes they will grumble about it.  Once in a rare while we have had to call the cops if someone is being really troublesome and not responding to polite requests.  Normally the cops show up quickly and the problematic individual is sent packing in short order.

The San Francisco Controller’s office performed an analysis of 81 emails sent to the Mayor, Board of Supervisors, and Police Chief in support of the proposed sit/ lie law.  Their content analysis indicated that about 50% of the people were concerned about aggressive panhandling.  But, this isn’t a good reason for passing the sit/lie law since there are already specific laws which address aggressive panhandling, specifically San Francisco Municipal Police Code section 120-2, and Section 647(c) of the California Penal Code.  In 2008, SFPD officers issued 867 citations citywide for aggressive panhandling.  So, if laws exist and they are being used, is there still a legal gap? 

Several police representatives have publicly stated that they are required to have a citizen complaint before they can take action and a new law is needed to enable them to act without a citizen complaint.  But this argument also seems to be without merit.  San Francisco law firm O’Melveny & Myers LLP recently conducted a review of appropriate legal codes and concluded, “These laws can be enforced by police officers without requiring citizens to complain of violations prior to their enforcement.”  SFPD’s argument is further weakened by an analysis of SFPD’s own computer aided dispatch system which shows that “In 2008 there were 15,529 calls for service on and around Haight Street, of which 4,462 were citizen-initiated and 11,067 were officer initiated.”  The leading cause of officer-initiated calls was “suspicious people.”  Not only are SFPD’s claims inconsistent with the letter of the law, but also their own internal data shows they already pursue law enforcement routinely without citizen complaints.

The legal analysis by O’Melveny & Myers LLP also refers to several other laws currently available to the San Francisco police including laws for obstruction of sidewalks, obstruction with belongings, loitering, aggressive pursuit, stalking and harassment, and for crowds to disperse on order of police officer.  There are additional laws about drinking in public, camping in parks or cars, urinating in public, littering, theft of recyclables, maintaining a public nuisance, interfering with a business, and peddling without a permit.  In total, the San Francisco Human Service Agency’s Quality of Life citation database shows nearly 12,000 citations were issued citywide in 2008 across six major categories of violations.  I learned that just about anything a homeless person can do is already illegal!  This punitive and legalistic approach towards homelessness earned San Francisco the dubious distinction of a spot on the list of Ten Meanest Cities in America compiled by the National Law Center on Homelessness & Poverty (NLCHP) in their July 2009 report on the Criminalization of Homelessness. 

In all my research, I have been unable to find examples of any problematic behaviors that can’t be prosecuted under existing law.   Why would Mayor Newsom and leaders of SFPD claim they are helpless due to limitations in existing laws?  Perhaps because the residents are asking the police to do something that the police are not set up to do.  They are asking the police to go beyond dealing with real crime and take on the role of becoming our street sweepers.  And what is being demanded to be swept away is not just regular trash, but as one of my neighbors wrote “quality of life degraders such as panhandling, trash, homeless, street kids, etc.”  In one sentence, separated by commas she brought it all down to the same level – human beings, behaviors we find annoying, and the by-products of these people’s existence.  The Mayor and SFPD leaders are correct that they have no mandate today to arrest and lock up people simply because they exist and live on our sidewalks creating an inconvenience for us.  But that’s not what the political campaign for the sit/ lie law wants you to be thinking about.  The political campaign is busy spinning a web of misinformation that isn’t being challenged – misinformation about street thugs who challenge police officers quoting their civil rights, misinformation about police helplessness, misinformation about citizens being too afraid to make complaints or too busy to go to court, misinformation about inadequacy of current laws to deal with problematic behaviors.

As I started to share my findings about this proposed legislation, one comment I kept hearing from neighbors is why not pass the law anyway.  “What harm can it do to give the police another tool to use?” said one regular customer of our bookstore.  Intrigued by this argument, I decided to examine the potential consequences if the law passes at the ballot.

By it’s very definition the sit/lie law will require police officers to discriminate among the population based on their appearances.  Opponents have raised concerns about the potential abuse of police power since the law proposes to grant broad discretionary power to the police regarding enforcement.  During a hearing of the Board of Supervisors, San Francisco Public Defender Jeff Adachi said that “one of the things we look at in raising a constitutional challenge to a crime is whether or not a crime will treat all people equally… similarly the law should be understandable to the police officer so they know what conduct is prohibited and it shouldn’t give them too much discretion.”  While the proposed law makes several exceptions for acceptable sitting and lying situations, it fails to make specific exceptions for several other perfectly legitimate reasons why people may sit or lie on sidewalks including street performers, day laborers, resting tourists, retail workers on their legally mandated fifteen minute breaks, and children.  With such broad language, the proposed law appears to fail the Public Defender’s test and makes it likely that the Defender’s Office will mount a challenge to the law if it passes. 

The US constitution also places several restrictions that would hinder San Francisco government’s desire to expand it’s mandate to regulate the innocuous behavior of sitting or lying in a public space.  Legal experts cite at least three major challenges that can be made under the first amendment (freedom of speech and assembly), eighth amendment (cruel and unusual punishment), and fourteenth amendment (due process and equal protection).  It is also helpful to look at San Francisco’s own previous attempts on this front.  San Francisco passed a similar sit/lie law (MPC 20) in 1968 and then repealed it in 1979 after being sued.  Yet another attempt to pass a similar law failed at the ballot in 1994.  San Francisco is not the first city to flirt with such a law, nor would it be the first one to get sued to block it.  While it’s hard to predict the outcome of a constitutional challenge, it is virtually guaranteed that if the measure passes at the election in San Francisco, it will get challenged in courts.

According to the proposed law, the penalty for the first offense will be a fine of $50-100 and/ or community service, and subsequent offenses will get fined at higher levels going up to $500 and imprisonment in the county jail of up to 30 days.  It’s hard to see much good coming from issuing more such citations with a new law because San Francisco County Jail has rather limited capacity (estimated at 2,200 seats), which is far outnumbered by the current homeless population in San Francisco (estimated at over 6,000 people).  We couldn’t possibly lock up every homeless person even if we were legally allowed to.  The July 24th issue of the Economist had a cover story on America’s record of locking up people.  According to the Economist, “America incarcerates five times more people than Britain, nine times more than Germany, and twelve times more than Japan.”  Noted criminologist Michael Tonry has decried America’s over-reliance on the criminal justice system as a lack of “political maturity and public civility.”  It’s ironic that proponents of the rebranded civil sidewalks law think they are promoting civility.

Next, let’s examine what would happen if the sit/lie law succeeds at putting homeless people away in jails for sitting or lying on public sidewalks.  The criminalization of these people is guaranteed to have consequences.  Previously homeless people coming out of jail after serving their 30 day sentences will now have criminal records making it even less likely that they would succeed at finding jobs or housing.  Countless studies have documented that prison culture is breeding ground for violence, distrust, and alienation.  Sociologist Teresa Gowan recently published a book documenting years of her research with homeless men in San Francisco.  In her words, “Imprisonment and homelessness (have) become a mutually reinforcing nexus, one through which thousands moved both backward and forward with little respite.  Every day men were released from the system with little money, damaged social ties, and minimal job prospects, and many fell fast, even instantly, to the street.  In turn, living on the street was very likely to send them back inside, sanctioned for quality-of-life offenses and parole violations.”  It is not hard to project that the sit/lie law might result in turning harmless homeless people into hardened criminals who will end up back on our streets.  And this time around they would have less trust in the service providers trying to help them, they might be more prone to seeing us as the cause of their problems, and they might be more comfortable with resorting to violence to meet their needs.  By emphasizing incarceration over integration, the sit/ lie law takes a dangerous step towards accelerating the cynical revolving door between prisons and streets.

Since this legislation appears nearly guaranteed to fail, I can’t help but wonder about the real reasons many of my friends and neighbors are pushing for it.  I know many of these people and they are normal and reasonable folks, they have good educations and careers, and they can critically think through issues.  I don’t have to look far for the answer since I nearly went along with this law myself.  I had to force myself to sit back and analyze my thoughts.  I had to admit to myself that the way certain people look can make us afraid.  We don’t like to be confronted by a human condition that appears so alien and dirty.  Such confrontations bring out strong negative feelings in us – feelings of fear, disgust, and disbelief.  Overcome by fear, our minds blow any real problems out of proportion and we end up championing disproportional solutions like the proposed sit/ lie law.  We want these people gone, these uncomfortable appearances to disappear so we can surround ourselves with a world of our choice.

Come November, voters in San Francisco are going to be asked to vote on the deal that’s on the table.  Some folks have asked our political leaders to make it easy for us.  They have promised they will turn their eyes if the homeless people are whisked away in a police car and locked up in some remote jail, or hassled enough that they leave San Francisco and go somewhere else.  And the politicians have responded by crafting this proposed law that will give them the mandate to do just that.  Voting YES will be people who want clean hassle-free sidewalks and don’t care about how that goal is accomplished.  These people have rationalized that what’s at stake here is their right to have clean hassle-free sidewalks just like their friends in other neighborhoods do.  Voting NO will be people who are morally outraged by what’s being proposed in this law, those who think it is bad public policy, those who are turned off by the campaign of misinformation about this proposed law, and those who believe that, as a society, we can come up with better solutions.  And finally, there will be some people who are simply confused with the coming crossfire of sound bites urging them to decide between “civility” and “civil rights.”  They will be asked to decide whether “It’s not about the homeless” or “It is about the homeless.”  They will have to decide whether they want to “Stand against Sit/ Lie” or “Stand up for it.”  I hope after reading this article you won’t find yourself in the last group. 

 

Colleen Rivecca
Colleen Rivecca
wrote on 10/05/2010 at 11:04 p.m. PDT

Very thoughtful commentary. Concerns about safety on San Francisco streets are valid, but Prop L is simply not the answer. Prop L won't create safety but, by making common and innocent behavior illegal, will create more criminals.

Mark Kraft
Mark Kraft
wrote on 10/06/2010 at 3:34 a.m. PDT

"I don’t see the homeless people assaulting residents, vandalizing businesses, or creating a public safety hazard."

I do. I live in the Tenderloin.

There are plenty of supporting stories, too:
http://celebrifi.com/gossip/Not-Guilty-Plea-In-SF-Homeless-Killing-5212822.html
http://www.foxreno.com/news/24186159/detail.html

If the homeless don't vandalize, then why have they seriously damaged about a quarter of the public toilets?
http://articles.sfgate.com/2001-07-09/news/17608506_1_jcdecaux-toilets-lavatories

"The people shoplifting books and magazines in our bookstore are rarely the homeless."

Homeless don't *need* to shoplift books and magazines! When was the last time you saw a homeless person reading Proust or Wired, anyway? Tell you what... open a liquor store and tell me whether that ratio changes for you.

Your observations on the homeless overlook one glaringly obvious flaw. Can you point out one part of the city -- just one -- where the higher-than-average homeless population in that area doesn't also a reflect a higher-than-average drug dealing problem? (Really. Just one.)

The fact is this: homelessness and substance abuse are directly linked. According to the U.S. Justice Department, In 2002 an estimated 4 million adults met the criteria for both serious mental illness *AND* substance dependence or abuse.

Even the way the rest of us see them live reflects the kind of lifestyle they have. They sleep a lot during the day... but why not at night?! Because, it's too dangerous, and it's when drug dealing is at its peak. Addicts roam the streets, looking for a fix... and if they can't find one, they're looking for money to get a fix. That could come from theft and vandalism, from digging in garbage to find recyclables, from reselling drugs or trying to sell phony or cut drugs in order to fund their own habit, from stealing, from grabbing or vandalizing anything that's not nailed down for scrap, etc. I've seen homeless people wheeling their carts in the early morning, full of hubcaps, spools of wire, faceplates, building supplies, and everything else metal they could grab, on the way to the recycling center... and they don't care whether it's vandalism or theft, really, because it's easy money.

What's messed up is when they can't get the money. That's when they aggressively panhandle, threaten, or try to take it from others... or when their small time idiot drug dealing crosses the organized drug gangs and leads to shootings or stabbings.

Sure, we're not talking about all homeless here. However, a lot of the semi-functional homeless without addictions who have the option stay in the shelters, or in public housing. Contrary to a lot of the fears people have, most homeless shelters are cleaner, safer, and comparatively drug-free. This isn't the environment that the homeless addict wants to live in, however. You can get a sense of this when you offer a lot of the homeless in town actual food when they ask for money to eat. It becomes pretty clear that they just wanted money for their habit.

The truth is, getting homeless addicts off the streets and in treatment in medically-monitored assisted living situations is the best solution. These people are barely functional at best, and need all the resources on hand to have a fighting chance to overcome their addictions, while getting on the right meds to treat their conditions.

Without appropriate treatment, they're definitely a crime risk, and help to drag down local businesses who might otherwise help revitalize troubled neighborhoods.

Bob Offer-Westort
Bob Offer-Westort
wrote on 10/06/2010 at 9:25 a.m. PDT

Hi, Mark-

It would be ridiculous to claim that no homeless person has ever committed a crime, but I don't see any evidence that homeless people are by & large any more guilty of criminal activity than are housed people. You've pointed to two cases in which homeless people stand accused of murder, which, given the murder rate in San Francisco & the portion of the population believed to be homeless, is about par.

A little under a third of homeless people are identified as having mental health diagnoses or substance addictions. This is a bit higher than the population at large, but it's far from a majority.

You're right, tho, that supportive housing is the best situation for a lot of people. It's just not true of the majority.

Bob Offer-Westort
Bob Offer-Westort
wrote on 10/06/2010 at 9:26 a.m. PDT

(Housing—whether supportive or just by itself—is the solution for almost everyone. But economic factors are far more important than medical factors for most people.)

J. Brandon Loberg
J. Brandon Loberg
wrote on 10/13/2010 at 1:35 p.m. PDT

So what exactly is your point, Mark? You just want homeless people to go away, is that right? Well, i hate to break it to you, but that's not realistic.

It is somewhat troubling to me that you misunderstand your own neighbourhood to the extent you appear to. i mean, how can you live in a place and be oblivious to what happens on the street every night?

While i won't argue otherwise that there is a strong correlation between substance abuse and homelessness--as this is proven--plenty of the Tenderloin's drug addicts are not without a roof over their heads. Your rather obtuse argument falls victim to the very fallacies Mr. Madan seeks to demystify; that the term 'homeless' is not an accurate one, and represents to a greater extent a person's appearance than whether or not they lack a residence; and that, moreover, Sit/Lie will do nothing to curtail drug dealing or its associated violence. i have my doubts that you've read the proposition itself; otherwise you would understand why this is the case. How many drug dealers have you seen sleeping on the street (or even sitting there, for that matter)? No, as someone who spends a lot of time in the Tenderloin, the drug dealers are usually on their feet, sometimes hanging out in menacing-looking groups on streetcorners or walking up and down the street soliciting "OCs, Klonopin..." to random passersby. These people are totally unaffected by sit/lie. Even those who are indeed sleeping in doorways or on sidewalks are unaffected, because sit/lie is only in force between 7am and 11pm.

JHaighter
JHaighter
wrote on 10/16/2010 at 2:22 a.m. PDT

Being a resident of the Haight for the last 5 years (Page & Masonic) I can tell you that your article seems to dismiss several key facts. First and foremost, you said you feel the most of the homeless people living in our community are non-violent for the most part. Yet in reality, this is factually untrue. I personally have had an armed homeless 20- something get tackled by police offers in my own backyard, I've witnessed groups of homeless kids attack people, both with their fists and with their dogs and I've even been punched in the face by a drunken street kid that I refused to give my left-overs to. These are just a fraction of the altercations that are taking place between the homeless street kids and tourists/residents.

Strictly speaking, we are not dealing with your run of the mill homeless person in the Haight. When statistically looking at the numbers, a majority of the homeless that stroll the area are 'gutter punks' and anarchists who are looking to get drunk and high. In all fairness, most of the crimes listed earlier were committed by individuals who were under the influence of drugs or alcohol.

This leads me to my next point. Our streets, parks, and sidewalks are littered with needles and other drug paraphernalia. Clinics and shelters like the Haight Street Youth Association (HYA) and Larkin Street Youth Center (LSYC), which are suppose to be outreach support groups for the homeless are instead condoning this self-destructive type of behavior, rather then curbing it. Inside these institutions you'll find pamphlets that tell kids how to 'fuck safe and shoot clean'.

I've had the opportunity to visit these centers first hand, and I can tell you that they are more-or-less a safe haven for when the beat cops are making their rounds. Furthermore, HYA is in violation of several San Franciso Health Board codes. Their needle exchange program is not an exchange program in anyway. Most users are required to bring used needles back in order to get new ones. However, HYA has continued to give fresh needles out even when none are returned. So ask yourself this, were do these used needles end up? Oh yeah, on my front steps, or in the doorway of one of the many retail shops on Haight street.

These are problems are not going away. If anything, there getting worse. This summer alone has been one filled with violence and excessive substance abuse. Who wants to walk down the street worrying about if their going to be assaulted by some smacked out kid looking to get his next fix. In one day alone this month the SFPD was called over fifteen times about intrusive homeless activity that ranged from public intoxication to fighting and robbery.

Are sidewalks are not meant to be an anarchist gutter punks playground. You say that PROP L is going to be aimed at profiling specific individuals and that it will take away the rights of "street performers, day laborers, resting tourists, retail workers on their legally mandated fifteen minute breaks, and children" With the exception of street performers, I have not seen any of the later sitting or laying on the sidewalks. So who's really on them?

Yes, I agree with you that it will cost the city more money to enforce police action. But really, whats your safety and mine worth? Would you rather pay taxes and actually see some change, or would do you want to continue to see officers and residents turn the other cheek? I love this neighborhood, but I'm absolutely tired of the homeless issue.

If anything, PROP L, along with the reforming, or getting rid of all together the broken institutions that are in the neighborhood, would be one step in the right direction. The next would be for business owners to make it illegal to sit in front of their establishments by way of trespassing.

Sorry to say it folks, but the haight isn't what it use to be. The days of peace, love, and hippies are of a bygone era. This is a family neighborhood with specific values in mind.

Joe Mad
Joe Mad
wrote on 10/06/2010 at 9:16 a.m. PDT

I really appreciate the thorough analysis of both sides of the issue, as well as all the background of other similar laws that are already on the books, and have obviously done little to change the human-scape on SF's streets for decades. The situation is not about more laws, its about more services to help people.

I live in a neighborhood where very "threatening-looking" people STAND around in groups, yelling back and forth across the street, and listening to their music so loud it makes my windows rattle. On my worst days I want to call the cops to make the nuisance just go away, but most days I am able to appreciate the broad-range of cultures that mix and mingle on our city streets. I've accepted that it's a cultural difference of how people choose to hang out with their pals, and that although it's annoying to me sometimes, we're all allowed to share the city together.

I think Praveen has done a good job showing the straw man fallacy in this support for this law. We are uncomfortable and annoyed at being confronted by an "other", so let's make "them" criminals and make them go "away".

I am passing this along to everyone I know, so that they can read this thorough analysis and decide for themselves what makes sense. Three cheers for actual information, versus just "this horrible thing happened to me" stories to justify treating people like sub-humans.

Merl Murphy
Merl Murphy
wrote on 10/06/2010 at 10:46 a.m. PDT

Huge cudos to Mr. Madan for his well-researched anlysis. How rare an article is his. Commenter Mr. Kraft writes: "The truth is, getting homeless addicts off the streets and in treatment in medically-monitored assisted living situations is the best solution. These people are barely functional at best, and need all the resources on hand to have a fighting chance to overcome their addictions, while getting on the right meds to treat their conditions." Who could disagree? Would that citizens of SF and every other major city in the USA take those words to heart & cast their vote for senators and representatives who would ensure funds were available to make mental health facilities, drug treatment facilities and help for homeless children a reality. There is no shortage of youngsters roaming the country (I know, my son was one) drug addicts, alcoholics and the seriously mentally ill getting by day by day on the streets of America and bringing with them problems of hygiene, hunger, ill health, addiction & hopelessness. Each homeless person you meet is a PERSON - as capable of goodness as anyone else . While every homeless person you encounter can not be cellist, Nathanial Ayres (The Soloist) keep in mind they are people of worth and as a rule they are not have a good time of it. They all deserve any kindness you can muster. I write this with thankfullness to all of those people whose names I will never know who helped my son in myriad ways over the years. He never got tired of telling the stories of some of the incredible kindness he encountered along with telling the stories of having been arrested because he was "holding a sleeping bag". If anyone is going to pass some laws affecting this population I pray it be done with the kind of analysis Mr. Mandan has applied in his article, combined with pragmatic compassion, a real desire to help our fellow human beings in need and a PLAN to change the circumstances that have led these folks to the streets in the first place. Another law ennacted so the homeless can be more easily arrested will not change, much less solve, the problems in the Haight, New Orleans, Albuquerque, NYC, San Diego or Chicago. Meanwhile, continued props for people doing outreach work under difficult circumstances in SF like Mary Howe at the Homeless Youth Alliance and Machiko Sato at Roaddawgz Drop In Center. People who make a difference.

Jamie Whitaker
Jamie Whitaker
wrote on 10/06/2010 at 2:08 p.m. PDT

Sort of related, the Bay Guardian blew it in their print and initial online edition in stating that District 6 Supervisor candidate Jim Meko supports Prop. L - he has always, in fact, opposed Prop. L, the sit/lie ordinance on November's ballot. The scoop can be found at http://www.fogcityjournal.com/wordpress/2010/10/sfbg-to-post-meko-sitlie-position-correction/

This is what happens when independent, qualified folks run for Supervisor in San Francisco .... the establishment does everything it can to ruin the chances of the PEOPLE being represented in City Hall for fear of losing a rubber stamp ideologue spot.

Robert Facer
Robert Facer
wrote on 10/06/2010 at 2:57 p.m. PDT

I would like to point out that Gavin Newsom was in Hawaii when I paddled my outrigger canoe into San Francisco two days after the Costco Buscan hit the bridge coming into the Bay. The year was 2007. There was oil everywhere and the beaches were strung with yellow tape. I was in danger and unable to set foot on the beach. The Park Ranger motored over to my hand powered craft and ordered it immediately back out into the Bay. A seven knot tide surge was starting up on a falling tide which could have had i been weaker washed me out into the Pacific in a boat that was in no way prepared for it. As it was, almost superhuman strength got me across the Bay to the point south of Sausalito before I was forced through the chop and out into the open ocean. If a Captain is responsible for the actions of his crew, what was this idiot who thinks he can tell people whether their behavior is correct doing two thousand miles away when circumstances were such that drownding was a real possibility to men sitting here and attempting to deal with very real problems. If Newsom is the main reason for reccommending this law then I would not vote for it if only for that reason.

Richard Ivanhoe
Richard Ivanhoe
wrote on 10/07/2010 at 12:34 a.m. PDT

Praveen, thank you for a well-researched and well-written article. Unfortunately, in this era of buzzwords and short attention spans, many people who make it to this site may not read the entire article.

For those who haven't read the entire article, here's a summary of why I oppose Prop L (this is not a summary of the article, which is a much better in-depth analysis of the issues): 1) The law will not accomplish what its proponents want--it will not reduce the homeless population on our sidewalks, and it does not address aggressive behavior. 2) If the law is actually enforced it will increase costs to the City and/or take time away from other things police, prosecutors, public defenders, judges, and clerical workers could be doing. 3) The law will criminalize innocent behavior--it will be a violation for you to sit on a chair in front of your home; it will be a violation for a child to sit on a tricycle on the sidewalk; it will be a violation for you to sit down and wait for a bus where there are no fixed seats or where they are full. Maybe these particular violations will be overlooked, but they will still be illegal.

I want to address Mark Kraft's comment. I don't live in the Tenderloin, so my experience may be different from his. His two links to support his statement that he sees homeless people assaulting residents, vandalizing businesses or creating a public safety hazard are both stories where a homeless (or transient) person was the victim (and why is the source Fox Reno?). His link (SF Gate 2001) about the homeless having seriously damaged about a quarter of the public toilets doesn't actually say that--the article did say that 25% were problems for maintenance crews, police, and tourists, but it did not say what caused the problems. "even the homeless . . . complain the toilet frequently breaks down." And I have seen people who were apparently homeless sitting on the sidewalk reading (although it probably wasn't Proust or Wired). And people on the sidewalk have seemed happy to accept food when I have offered it.

Pam Brennan
Pam Brennan
wrote on 10/08/2010 at 4:41 p.m. PDT

Thanks Praveen for your gracious humanity; unfortunately, way too rare among the sit-lie proponents and 'homeless' fear-mongerers. I have a few thoughts you/your readers may or may not wish to consider toward finding an answer to the question you pose, "What's Wrong with the Sit/Lie Campaign's Story?"

Since the criminal, decent, vermin-like, upstanding, honorable or any other 'character' of those sitting, lying or doing cartwheels on the street cannot always be easily discerned or be painted with a single brush stroke, the legitimate question arises: How will the police determine their prey? Only time will tell if we allow it. I suspect it won't be pretty or legal either. I'm tired of seeing cop cars nearly jump the curb to shake down some youth with lint in his pocket.

Also, as you have already touched upon, we might ask again: Who is and how is ANYONE going to benefit by further criminalizing poverty? You might note that Nazi propaganda films portrayed Jews as vermin and sub-human, unworthy of life. Jews were presented as distasteful, untrustworthy and as having stereotypical physical characteristics. Immigrants were blamed initially for the proliferation of vermin and soon equated to vermin themselves. The reduction of humans to something other than, inferior to, humans makes it easier to dispose of them...more comfortably. I believe that is what is at play here: the dehumanization of people who take you out of your comfort zone.

I'm a tour guide and would recommend that all those who are uncomfortable with the street folks go on a "fam" trip (that means familiarization trip). I frequently see folks initially afraid to get out of their cars in the hood and after a couple of hours they are contributing to the guitar cases or dog water bowls or penny collections shaped like hearts. They've been transformed and no longer even see the folks on the street as a "homeless problem." All the dirt, grime, piercings, raggedy attire, rowdy dogs, rambunctious kids were suddenly less visible and easier to co-exist with.

I also feel compelled to comment that if the campaigners just enjoy complaining...maybe they should take up trying to stop the Blue Angels from terrorizing our city for three or four days each year. Surely they present a far greater threat to the safety of us all -- and in the name of "protecting us." The absurdity! Sorry if you miss the relevance but they just buzzed the windows here at the Embarcadero Center and it felt like a 10.2 quake and the streams of black exhaust and noise can't be healthy for any of us.

Thanks again Praveen for opening up the critical sit/lie conversation.

Susan Latham
Susan Latham
wrote on 10/11/2010 at 10:53 a.m. PDT

Thank you for a well written article that portrays my 43 years experience of life in San Francisco and its many neighborhoods: live in Haight; work on Tenderloin.

Joan Boyd
Joan Boyd
wrote on 10/28/2010 at 1:29 p.m. PDT

In my support of Prop L Civil Sidewalks, I make three assumptions: 1) the Haight residents and merchants do not want or expect draconian enforcement of the law, far from it. 2) Chief Gascon and SFPD will enforce this law only on the occasion of significant disruptive or harmful behavior and 3) the law is not an attempt to throw the homeless off the street. The opposition on Prop L would have you believe otherwise. Most of their arguments describe the residents, merchants and SFPD as villains in this story, but perhaps this law could help bring abut some primary prevention.

Yesterday afternoon I chatted with four young people who had just come down from Alaska. They were friendly, upbeat and sitting on a corner one block off Haight Street.
Later in the evening I met another foursome who were from back east and were here to experience “the Haight.” One of them, a 24 year old young woman was a graduate of Columbia University. These are not the kinds of kids one worries about unless they are still on the street a week later. At that point they may become acculturated to street life.

At a local coffee shop I met a mother who had come from the Midwest to try to persuade her son to go back home with her; her husband had come a year ago with the same goal. Their son, in his mid twenties, had fallen into a life of cocaine addiction some years earlier and wasn’t competent to hold a job. This circumstance was heart breaking for the mom who had no assurance that he would go back with her. The parents had promised him an apartment, education and support if he would return home.

I ran into a young woman I had met two years ago on Haight Street; she told me about her life in that interim. She had received services from a homeless youth program: housing, job training and employment. Then she got into a relationship with a woman who had a violent streak which caused them to lose their apartment; then after she stopped showing up for work, her employer gave her severance pay and let her go. She visited her family back east before returning to Haight Street Street and getting back in line for housing and other services.

A teenager was sleeping in the sun on Cole Street just North of Haight. I asked him if he was okay, and he emerged from his sleeping bag. He had come to the Haight from Oregon hoping to drop LSD, but he had been robbed of all his money. His first concern was his dad’s reaction when he called for help. I gave him directions to SFPD Park Station where he could get a bus ticket home.

On a sidewalk near my home I checked on the motionless form in a sleeping bag. A young man responded and told me he had come here from Montana hoping to start a new life. He had been robbed and had not eaten for three days; the street had not been kind to him. I ran home to get him some food and a list of service providers. Several months later I ran into him at the park entrance; he had a place to live and a job and a big smile.

One of the above youths succumbed to drug addiction; another became acculturated to street life. Yet another was a minor. Those still on the street remain vulnerable to drug abuse, sexual predators, violence, depression and other serious health conditions.

Why is there no outreach on the street during the day? This is the highest priority for the youth service providers. There are two situations when homeless youth are more apt to accept help off the street. One is when they are new to the street and before they join the street culture; and the second is when they are sick. Outreach can identify these people as well as minors who, by law (child abuse and truancy), should not be on the street. Sometimes tolerance and neglect may overlap.

As for the sit/lie vote, it will reveal sentiments across the city and not just special interest groups. I will vote YES because Park Station police is the responsible authority on the street 24/7; SFPD Chief Gascon and Park Station police have shown the utmost judgment, patience and restraint in dealing with homeless youth. To argue that this law would result in endless ticketing of homeless and over burdening of the courts misrepresents the intent of the law.

In my support of Prop L Civil Sidewalks, I make three assumptions: 1) the Haight residents and merchants are not expecting draconian enforcement of the law, far from it. 2) Chief Gascon and SFPD will enforce this law only on the occasion of significant disruptive or harmful behavior and 3) the law is not an attempt to throw the homeless off the street. The opposition on Prop L would have you believe otherwise. Most of their arguments describe the residents, merchants and SFPD as villains in this story, but perhaps this law could help bring abut some primary prevention.

Yesterday afternoon I chatted with four young people who had just come down from Alaska. They were friendly, upbeat and sitting on a corner one block off Haight Street.
Later in the evening I met another foursome who were from back east and were here to experience “the Haight.” One of them, a 24 year old young woman was a graduate of Columbia University. These are not the kinds of kids one worries about unless they are still on the street a week later. At that point they may become acculturated to street life.

At a local coffee shop I met a mother who had come from the Midwest to try to persuade her son to go back home with her; her husband had come a year ago with the same goal. Their son, in his mid twenties, had fallen into a life of cocaine addiction some years earlier and wasn’t competent to hold a job. This circumstance was heart breaking for the mom who had no assurance that he would go back with her. The parents had promised him an apartment, education and support if he would return home.

I ran into a young woman I had met two years ago on Haight Street; she told me about her life in that interim. She had received services from a homeless youth program: housing, job training and employment. Then she got into a relationship with a woman who had a violent streak which caused them to lose their apartment; then after she stopped showing up for work, her employer gave her severance pay and let her go. She visited her family back east before returning to Haight Street Street and getting back in line for housing and other services.

A teenager was sleeping in the sun on Cole Street just North of Haight. I asked him if he was okay, and he emerged from his sleeping bag. He had come to the Haight from Oregon hoping to drop LSD, but he had been robbed of all his money. His first concern was his dad’s reaction when he called for help. I gave him directions to SFPD Park Station where he could get a bus ticket home.

On a sidewalk near my home I checked on the motionless form in a sleeping bag. A young man responded and told me he had come here from Montana hoping to start a new life. He had been robbed and had not eaten for three days; the street had not been kind to him. I ran home to get him some food and a list of service providers. Several months later I ran into him at the park entrance; he had a place to live and a job and a big smile.

One of the above youths succumbed to drug addiction; another became acculturated to street life. Yet another was a minor. Those still on the street remain vulnerable to drug abuse, sexual predators, violence, depression and other serious health conditions.

Why is there no outreach on the street during the day? This is the highest priority for the youth service providers. There are two situations when homeless youth are more apt to accept help off the street. One is when they are new to the street and before they join the street culture; and the second is when they are sick. Outreach can identify these people as well as minors who, by law (child abuse and truancy), should not be on the street. Sometimes tolerance and neglect may overlap.

As for the sit/lie vote, it will reveal sentiments across the city and not just special interest groups. I will vote YES because Park Station police is the responsible authority on the street 24/7; SFPD Chief Gascon and Park Station police have shown the utmost judgment, patience and restraint in dealing with homeless youth. To argue that this law would result in endless ticketing of homeless and over burdening of the courts misrepresents the intent of the law.

Joan Boyd
Joan Boyd
wrote on 10/28/2010 at 1:38 p.m. PDT

IIn my support of Prop L Civil Sidewalks, I make three assumptions: 1) the Haight residents and merchants are not expecting draconian enforcement of the law, far from it. 2) Chief Gascon and SFPD will enforce this law only on the occasion of significant disruptive or harmful behavior and 3) the law is not an attempt to throw the homeless off the street. The opposition on Prop L would have you believe otherwise. Most of their arguments describe the residents, merchants and SFPD as villains in this story, but perhaps this law could help bring abut some primary prevention.

Yesterday afternoon I chatted with four young people who had just come down from Alaska. They were friendly, upbeat and sitting on a corner one block off Haight Street.
Later in the evening I met another foursome who were from back east and were here to experience “the Haight.” One of them, a 24 year old young woman was a graduate of Columbia University. These are not the kinds of kids one worries about unless they are still on the street a week later. At that point they may become acculturated to street life.

At a local coffee shop I met a mother who had come from the Midwest to try to persuade her son to go back home with her; her husband had come a year ago with the same goal. Their son, in his mid twenties, had fallen into a life of cocaine addiction some years earlier and wasn’t competent to hold a job. This circumstance was heart breaking for the mom who had no assurance that he would go back with her. The parents had promised him an apartment, education and support if he would return home.

I ran into a young woman I had met two years ago on Haight Street; she told me about her life in that interim. She had received services from a homeless youth program: housing, job training and employment. Then she got into a relationship with a woman who had a violent streak which caused them to lose their apartment; then after she stopped showing up for work, her employer gave her severance pay and let her go. She visited her family back east before returning to Haight Street Street and getting back in line for housing and other services.

A teenager was sleeping in the sun on Cole Street just North of Haight. I asked him if he was okay, and he emerged from his sleeping bag. He had come to the Haight from Oregon hoping to drop LSD, but he had been robbed of all his money. His first concern was his dad’s reaction when he called for help. I gave him directions to SFPD Park Station where he could get a bus ticket home.

On a sidewalk near my home I checked on the motionless form in a sleeping bag. A young man responded and told me he had come here from Montana hoping to start a new life. He had been robbed and had not eaten for three days; the street had not been kind to him. I ran home to get him some food and a list of service providers. Several months later I ran into him at the park entrance; he had a place to live and a job and a big smile.

One of the above youths succumbed to drug addiction; another became acculturated to street life. Yet another was a minor. Those still on the street remain vulnerable to drug abuse, sexual predators, violence, depression and other serious health conditions.

Why is there no outreach on the street during the day? This is the highest priority for the youth service providers. There are two situations when homeless youth are more apt to accept help off the street. One is when they are new to the street and before they join the street culture; and the second is when they are sick. Outreach can identify these people as well as minors who, by law (child abuse and truancy), should not be on the street. Sometimes tolerance and neglect may overlap.

As for the sit/lie vote, it will reveal sentiments across the city and not just special interest groups. I will vote YES because Park Station police is the responsible authority on the street 24/7; SFPD Chief Gascon and Park Station police have shown the utmost judgment, patience and restraint in dealing with homeless youth. To argue that this law would result in endless ticketing of homeless and over burdening of the courts misrepresents the intent of the law.

Rick Hoyle
Rick Hoyle
wrote on 11/01/2010 at 11:07 a.m. PDT

Voting YES on Sit / Lie

It is mental illness, drugs, vagrancy; the anything goes, ‘do your own thing’ at the expense of others, the stealing of shopping carts and recyclables, the peeing, pooping and laying around like a dog on community space and not "homelessness" that is the central issue.

It about personal freedom and responsibility being two sides of the same coin, with 'freedom' implying great intelligence born of sensitivity, understanding and discretion. With such intelligence one can do what one likes for one comprehend what is the right thing to do. In this way we are sensible and prudent, neither limitless nor regimented.

Clearly without responsibility one's personal freedom must be restricted and/or regulated for the common good. The sense of disorder along Haight Street promotes vandalism and misuse, sustaining a sense of “anything goes" and "no one cares”, and degrades our experience of togetherness - community. Finally voting YES takes away one more excuse ‘our’ so-called liberal public officials have for allowing our community space to be violated.

Rick Hoyle
Rick Hoyle
wrote on 11/01/2010 at 10:59 a.m. PDT

Voting YES on Sit / Lie

It is mental illness, drugs, vagrancy; the anything goes, ‘do your own thing’ at the expense of others, the stealing of shopping carts and recyclables, the peeing, pooping and laying around like a dog on community space and not "homelessness" that is the central issue.

It about personal freedom and responsibility being two sides of the same coin, with 'freedom' implying great intelligence born of sensitivity, understanding and discretion. With such intelligence one can do what one likes for one comprehend what is the right thing to do. In this way we are sensible and prudent, neither limitless nor regimented.

Clearly without responsibility one's personal freedom must be restricted and/or regulated for the common good. The sense of disorder along Haight Street promotes vandalism and misuse, sustaining a sense of “anything goes" and "no one cares”, and degrades our experience of togetherness - community. Finally voting YES takes away one more excuse ‘our’ so-called liberal public officials have for allowing our community space to be violated.

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